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>> and now, "bbc world news." >> there is $20 million more than the world gives the sub saharan africa in aid. we had a good discussion today about how we can build on the agreement, and i said how britain will support this, investing in projects to build the key tray corridors and simplify and speed up border crossings. as the president has said, we also had important discussions on developments in the middle east, in north africa, and in zimbabwe. we share the same strategic vision. we believe people's legitimate aspirations for a job and a voice must be met with reform and openness, not with repression and violence. on libya, i thanked president zuma for south africa's support in securing united nations security resolution 1970 and 1973 and voice leadership in the african union on this vital issue. now, it is no secret that we
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have disagreed on some aspects of how to respond to violence in libya, but we are agreed on the immediate imperative that all sides must take every effort to avoid the loss of civilian life. we agree on the process needed that the only safe and peaceful solution lies through a political transition, led and owned by the libyan people and backed by the united nations. and we agree on the ultimate destination that gaddafi must step aside to allow the people of libya to decide their own future in a democratic and united libya. on zimbabwe, we discuss how much we welcome the efforts of south africa and the south african development community to achieve a peaceful, prosperous, and democratic zimbabwe. we support the efforts to agree a robust road map in zimbabwe based around a reform elections. and as the road map delivers real political change, so britain is ready to revisit the
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restrictive measures that have been put in place. finally, mr. president, let me say when a great honor it is to be in south africa on president mandela's birthday. president mandela is an inspiration to the world, and as we celebrate his birthday and look back at just how far south africa has come, so i believe we can look forward with confidence to an even better future for south africa and her people. thank you. >> thank you very much. your excellence and honorable prime minister. we will take questions. given time constraints, we won't take as much questions as possible, but we'll take few. the first question from itn. >> actually, it's bbc. prime minister, first of all,
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what is the difference between supporting stephenson employing neil wallis apart the fact that wallis has resigned. how do you respond to sir paul's resignation statement making this point last night? do you accept his claim that you would have been compromised if he had told about you his links with neil wallis? do you believe that the position of assistant commissioner john yates is tenable? and finally, with so much that is going on in the united kingdom at the moment, was it really wise to come to africa on this trip? and mr. president, can i ask you about libya? david cameron's made it very clear that colonel gaddafi must go, must go now, he cannot be part of any political solution. do you agree with him?
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>> you've asked lots of questions. let me try and answer all of them. first of all, i think it is right for britain to be engaged with south africa and to be engaged with africa as a whole. there is a huge opportunity for trade, for growth, for jobs, including jobs at home in the u.k., and i think it is right for the british prime minister to be out there with british businesses, trying to drum up export support and growth that would be good for both our countries. i'd like to thank sir paul stephenson for the great work he has done in policing over many, many years in the metropolitan police force and elsewhere. and as i said to him on many occasions, but including on tuesday night, the metropolitan police service inquiry must go wherever the evidence leads. they should investigate without fear or favor. i've said that repeatedly, and it's absolutely vital they feel that. but i would say that the situation in the metropolitan police service is really quite
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different to the situation in government, not least because the issues that the metropolitan police service are looking at, and the issues around them have had a direct bearing on public confidence into the police inquiry, into the "news of the world" and indeed to the police themselves. and for my part, what i would say is this -- that we have taken very decisive action. we've set up a judicial inquiry that can look at all aspects of this issue. we have helped to ensure a large and properly resourced police investigation that can get to the bottom of what happened and the wrongdoing, and we will so demonstrate it pretty much complete transparency in terms of media contact. we've also, i also answered questions at length in the house of commons last week. i don't think leaving any question unanswered, but there are, of course, important issues today with the home
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secretary's statement. there are also select committee hearings on tuesday, and i think it may well be right to have parliament meet on wednesday so i can make a further statement, update the house on the final parts of this judicial inquiry, and answer any questions that arise from what is being announced today and tomorrow. above all, what i would say is what matters most is that we ensure very swift and effective continuity at the metropolitan police service so they do not miss a beat in terms of carrying out these vital investigations into what happened in the media and also what happened in the police service, and i have been in touch with theresa may, both last night and this morning, and i know she's having urgent conversations with the mayor of london, with the metropolitan police authority so that every step can be taken to ensure continuity. that seems to me the thing that matters most of the all. and just a final point about
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the trip, just because you're traveling to africa doesn't mean that you suddenly contact contact with your office. as i said, i've had discussions with my own office, but also clearly with the home secretary to make sure that not only does the metropolitan police service not miss a beat in this vital work, but the government is pressing ahead on all of the fronts that it needs to, as i said in my statement last week. >> mr. president? >> that is going to be a matter of course for the metropolitan police authority, i think it's very important they carry out their work, and there will be further meetings about that later today. >> well, with regard to libya and whether gaddafi should go or not, our view is that, firstly, the libyan people stood up to protest against the system and demanded change.
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and i think everybody has supported the people who are demanding change so that they should be a democratic government. what happened in the process, a conflict emerged where violence has been used and, of course, once there was a fight, the a.u. took a very clear position that the military intervention would not solve the problem. you needed political intervention, and the a.u. has we had out a key road map what needs to be done. and in the process of this, it interacted with the libyan people. both sides have been interacted with. on the gaddafi side, they accepted the a.u. proposal.
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on the other end, it was felt that the condition they put that gaddafi must first go. and that is, i think, the nub of your question. we feel as the african countries, the libyan people must decide their destiny. they must nollingt, they must discuss any demand, any condition that is put forward. gaddafi has not he's not going to be part of the processes that discuss the change in libya. and he has accepted that anything, including his own future, so our view from the a.u. point of view is that what
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happens finally to gaddafi must be as the result and an outcome of the libyan people. libyan people must decide this in the processes that bring about a new kind of dispen situation in libya. the view is gaddafi must go. our view is that you need to negotiate how must gaddafi go, where must he go, why must he go, and these issues must be put on the table, and the libyan people must decide and finally say we don't want this system, we do not want this leader. i think in the end we need to see a democratic libya, and within that, there's an element of what happens to a man who
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has ruled libya for 42 years, and the demand is saying it's not very easy to get the result before negotiating for. that issue must be part of the issues on the table. that must be decided. because if he goes now, he will not have been discussed and agreed on the conditions. where must he go, how must he go, what will happen to him at the end. that must be a product of negotiations. that is the position of the a.u. >> thank you very much, mr. president. the next question, lady in red. would you mind to speak to the mic, please?
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ok. >> first of all, let me deal with the visit to africa. i think it is important for the prime minister to get out there with british business at a time when we need investment and growth and jobs back at home to see our exports expand, to open up new markets, to seek new contracts and new deals. that is what i've done in india, what i've done in china, and now here in africa. i think it is a good thing to do, and i'm going to press ahead with that. i think it is a worthwhile thing, and britain shouldn't be put off there. on the issue of the police investigation, i couldn't have been clearer that i think this police investigation needs to go wherever the evidence leads, that police should investigate
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this without fear of favor. i've said that publicly many times. i've said it privately to the metropolitan police many times. and that is the job they must do. clearly it's going to be taken under new leadership, and it's absolutely vital that leadership, that transition is as smooth as possible so they don't miss anything in the vital work that they are doing. but i would argue this point -- in terms of andy coulson, no one has argued that the work he did in government in any way was inappropriate or bad. he worked well in government. he then left government. there is a contrast, i would say, with the situation at the metropolitan police where clearly at the metropolitan police, the issues have been around whether or not the investigation is being pursued properly, and that is why i think sir paul reached a different conclusion. so i don't believe the two situations are the same same in
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any shape or form. i think if you look at what the british government has done, it has been very decisive in setting up the judicial inquiry, making sure the police investigation is properly funded and carried out and being transparent in all of the press contacts we've had, and in answering questions from parliament and others, and that's why i'm asking for parliament to sit an extra day on wednesday so i can make a new statement, adding to the details of the judicial inquiry, answering any questions that come up from today's announcement or indeed from tomorrow's announcements, because what the government wants to do here is what i think the whole country wants to do, which is to make sure we sort out this issue, we have a proper police investigation, a proper inquiry into what went wrong at news international and "news of the world," and proper arrangements for the future so that the contact between journalists and politicians is far more transparent than it is today, and i've led the way in that by publishing all of the contacts that i've had with
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editors, proprietors, managers and the rest of it since the election in may 2010. >> on the legal questions, nato has ignored cause to stop advancement of targets in libya to give way for political negotiations. do you think that the country is still justified to this given that now there are casualties? and to president zuma, how are you going to be spending your seven minutes today? >> on the point about a cease-fire, it is open to gaddafi at any time to deliver a cease-fire, by stopping the attacks on his own people, by withdrawing from the towns and cities that he attacked, and by returning his troops to
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barracks. he has occasionally announced a cease-fire, but all the time he's announcing it, he's still shelling, killing, maiming, murdering his own citizens. that is why there's a u.n. security council resolution, and that is why not just nato allies, but also arab countries like the qataris and others are involved in stopping those attacks on civilians. i think the president and i have spoken very frankly about this issue, about the areas where we agree. we both want to see a democratic libya, its future decided by her own people. we both want to see an end to what we agree have been outrageous attacks by gaddafi on his own people. and we both want to see a future for libya that doesn't include colonel gaddafi. the difference is that the president sees that as the outcome of a political process, whereas i believe for a political process to work, it has to be the starting point. that is the difference between us. that's the gap. but we've had very good discussions, and i think a much better understanding of each other's perspectives and
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understanding of these issues. >> a question just to comment also on what the prime minister has said, absolutely yes. we differ then, and also we differ from the point of view that there is a need that violence must give way to negotiations. this includes bombing, it does not happen. it will take a long time and might give us libya, but if we allow the peace process, which is very clear, which involves the global players, a.u., u.n., e.u., everybody, and we don't think we could fade to find an alternative that could, in fact, have a cease-fire, that could exist and be respected and monitored by all, why is
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this allowing the process to debate all the necessary issues, including the future of gaddafi. that's where we differ. but otherwise, we all agree we need change in libya. we need a democratic government, and we also support the call for libyan people to have change in that country. now that there is conflict, what do you do? the a.u. says here is a road map, let it take the dominance. that's the point we still have to talk about and see whether we couldn't close the gap. what it is necessary for us to do so or this is one of the issues, and therefore, all of us should try to agree and persuade the two sides to be able to meet and talk and find a solution. and we could even have talks in different stages to discover
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obstacles, even before the issues, which might include the demand whether gaddafi goes or he doesn't. i think the engagement is going to be very important to help the libyan people who have not harmed in the manner in which we have, because we could help them to lessen the damage of the countries and the death of the civilians and put in the political process. with regard to my spending this , i will be in lift and i'll end up visiting just today to go to him to say happy birthday and give him a present. thank you very much. >> thank you very much. ladies and gentlemen, i'm certain you'll be likely that
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given the importance of this issuance could discuss the town given to us, and i think we must appreciate the little time they give it to us. unfortunately, it will allow everybody, as i already indicated due to time constraints. we will allow now the official delegation to go to my left as we end the press conference. >> and we leave that press conference there in pretoria between president zuma of south africa and david cameron, the british prime minister. david cameron under questioning there on the phone hacking scandal that has dominated headlines here, affecting rupert murdoch's empire, and the resignation of britain's metropolitan police commissioner just last night. naomi grimley is on the line for us now. naomi, very interesting, because david cameron basically tried to say that the situation
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that he was faced with, employing andy coulson, formerly editor of "news of the world" was total the different that the police chief who's now resigned who employed andy coulson's former deputy at the same newspaper. >> yes, it's getting rather complicated, this story. but basically, the reason why david cameron was having to do that, to make the distinction between the two situations was because when the metropolitan police commissioner issued his resignation statement last night, he actually threw a parting shot at david cameron and said this, he said, unlike mr. coulson, that was david cameron's former director of communications, mr. wallis had not resigned from the "news of the world" or, to the best of my knowledge, been in any way associated with the original phone hacking investigation. so, in other words, what britain's top policeman was saying was, why should i resign
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for employing this former journalist when david cameron was also employing a former "news of the world" journalist. >> indeed, and questions inevitably focusing on david cameron's judgment. george, his chancellor is known as the person who initially recommended bringing in andy coulson, questions about how close this is getting to number 10 now, this whole scandal. >> well, it's quite a lot, that when david cameron is on the foreign business trip, he is still being plagued by questions about this scandal. and one of the interesting concessions he made there was that he's going to ask parliament to sit for an extra day, and he's due to go on holiday on tuesday, but because this scandal is so alive and so active at the moment, mr. cameron has agreed to give them a statement when he returns to try and allay their fears. of course, m.p.'s are gearing up tomorrow for a big piece of
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political theater when the murdoches and rebekah brooks appear before them at a committee hearing. >> ed miliband, just moments before david cameron announced parliament was going to sit on wednesday, he called for exactly the same thing, saying the prime minister shouldn't be out of the country, he should be facing questions from parliament. we're also getting into a lot of detail now, but it's emerged that the editor, john yates, assistant police commissioner at the met, very controversial figure, was in charge of checking out neil wallis, the person forwarded by the police commissioner. there are so many questions. the committee tomorrow is not going to be able to get through all of them, are they? >> no, they're not t. is getting rather complicated now. one of the the main thing to remember is that this scandal is about the three p's -- the press, the police, and the politicians. and as david cameron himself says, all three have big
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questions to answer. now, although the murdoch stars, the ones who will get the main attention this week because of their very unusual appearance before a committee of parliament, the police still do have the very big questions to answer about why they didn't reopen the investigation in 2009. and although sir paul stephenson, who quit last night, was not directly in the firing line over this, there were too many stories about cozy relations between the police and the "news of the world," and i think he felt he had to go because it was becoming a massive distraction. >> david cameron obviously is justifying his trip to africa, saying that the whole trade question is very important in a time of economic difficulty, but one conservative m.p., unnamed, i think a conservative told the bbc it looks as though the prime minister is fleeing the country. i mean, is it going to be seen as a wise move for david
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cameron to have made this visit at this particular time? >> i think that's why david cameron wanted to assure people that he's going to ask parliament to sit for a bit longer to deal with this, because he knows that it's on everyone's minds at the moment. the papers are absolutely full of it. things keep coming back to the key question of mr. cameron's own judgment in hiring a former "news of the world" editor who actually resigned because of the phone hacking scandal. was it wise to then hire him as his communications director for a period and then take him with him to downing street? that question just doesn't seem to be going away. many people think it won't until mr. cameron makes a public apology for hiring him in the first place, which is what the opposition is now calling for. >> naomi grimley, thank you very much indeed. much more, of course, on the website. this is a very fast-moving story, as you've seen in the
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last two weeks. do look at the website for more , bbc.com/news. thanks. >> make sense of international news at bbc.com/news. >> funding was made possible by the freeman foundation of new york, stowe, vermont, and honolulu. newman's own foundation. and union bank.
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